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Und so kam ich überhaupt erst auf die beiden Läden in der Le Than Ton - Danke an "Wendella", der dies in der Vietnam Sektion des cityxguides gepostet hat:

District 1 Bars with girls
This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.

The Bars

There's a star rating (* * *) for each bar. Remember, your own taste may be different. In the best bars (three *'s and above) you can usually find some very attractive girls, often with a difficult choice of which girl you like best. In most bars (* * to * * ½) , there is still a chance of finding a hot girl, but less likely than in those rated * * * and above. In the bars at * ½ and under, you will be lucky if a very cute one is there, and these places usually have mostly less attractive or older girls (for example, it would be rare that 49 Dong Khoi has any Girls who could get hired at 91 Hai Ba Trung). But if you visited every bar in one evening, you almost surely would find one pleasant surprise in one of the lesser rated bars.

Many of the names of these bars are just a number, which is their address, so for those only their address is listed.

HAI BA TRUNG AREA

35 Hai Ba Trung * * Small relaxing bar with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above avg. In quality. A balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better.

49 Hai Ba Trung * * ½ Fairly large bar, relaxed, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. Girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35.

51 Hai Ba Trung * * * A bit smaller than 49, but just as relaxed. Better than average girl selection and quality (more so than 49, in my opinion). This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They also have 2 pool tables, one in back a step down and another up on balcony level.

91 Hai Ba Trung * * * ½ This bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger and taller. It is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, and the girls more full of themselves (they're pretty and know it) but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. This would get 4 stars if girls there were as friendly as in other bars. Not relaxing.

2 Sisters * * 44 Dong Du. (formerly Saigon NY) Small bar near the corner of Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung, actually off HBT street. It has more of a social and fun vibe than most bars, but girls are slightly below average in general. They're nicer than ones in most of the bars though. Some girls here wear ao dais, which seems to be their code for "not available". There is a pool table upstairs, though I'm not sure how relaxed it is up there.

Trai Tao (Apple) * 13 Dong Du. Across the street from Saigon NY on Dong Du just near corner of HBT. Small bar with and mainly average girls, from what I could see. Honestly I haven't checked this one out very well. Almost surely relaxing.

Thien Loc * * 23 Hai Ba Trung. At the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi. One billiard table, the whole bar is just one room one level. This one recently reopened, but was always one of the most active bars in terms of entertainment. Might have 1 or 2 cuties with around 6 more ordinary ones.

29 Mac Thi Buoi ½ Very small new bar down the end of an alley on Mac Thi Buoi (not to be confused with the much better 29 Dong Khoi). The alley is very near the restaurant called Juice. It has one quite cute girl who is the boss's girlfriend and isn't allowed to sit with customers, plus a small group of other girls who are not attractive. Probably relaxing.

DONG KHOI STREET

29 Dong Khoi * * ½ On the last block before the Majestic Hotel (near the river). It has 2 levels and about a dozen girls, but in terms of looks they're below average overall, except for the occassional few new ones. It is the one bar of all of these that offers by far the best customer service. Anything goes here. If you are lucky enough to spot a stunning girl here, this place can be heaven. There are couches upstairs and also a very small private room in the back. Relaxing and then some.

49 Dong Khoi 0 stars A sad little bar way in the back down a long narrow hallway and upstairs. The girls are really not very pretty in this one. Seems to be designed to lure in unsuspecting tourists who don't know what other options are nearby. I prefer not to think about how relaxed the atmosphere is here, but it almost surely is. If you noticed the lack of stars above, that was intentional.

THAI VAN LUNG / THI SACH AREA

Smiley Bar * * 8A / 7D2 Thai Van Lung. Right at the intersection of Cao Ba Quat. Big bar, quite a few girls but choices are bit below average in quality. Upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. Things get much more entertaining and relaxing upstairs.

Chieu Thuy * 40 Thai Van Lung. On Thai Van Lung near the corner of Ly Tu Truong, at the top of the "hill." Selection and quality of girls here is distinctly below average. Pool table in front and sofas in back.

Vua Trai Dua (Coconut) *½ 15B Thi Sach. On the next parallel street over (Thi Sach) as you head back toward Hai Ba Trung. This is the the same street Apocalypse Now is located on, but at the opposite end near Le Thanh Ton. Girls here seem very average, and it's a smaller bar.

Momo bar 15C Thi Sach. New small bar next to Vua Trai Dua that I have not been to yet.

Little Princess 5E Nguyen Sieu. New, small bar on the side street opposite 91 Hai Ba Trung. I have not tried this one out yet.

LE THANH TON AREA

Quan Nho * * * 13 Le Thanh Ton. A very small bar with just around 6 girls. Sofas upstairs (3 levels total) to spend time with your girl. Atnosphere more upscale than the rest of these bars. No billiards tables. They tend to get a higher level of talent in their small lineup. Quite relaxing atmosphere upstairs.

Bin Bin * * * 13 Le Thanh Ton. Just across the alley from Quan Nho. This bar has the second most girls and second prettiest overall after 91. Quality of the girls here is quite good overall, sometimes excellent, and attitude and willingness usually quite good too. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. Relaxation status uncertain.

How It Works

After you take a seat, normally one girl will soon approach you. Each girl is in queue to be the one who first approaches a new customer. The problem with this system (for us) is that the girl who greets you is almost never the one you want. In that case, just let the bartender know so that girl after girl doesn't approach you like this. If you prefer no girl, you can just tell the bartender you only want to have a drink but no girl. If you want a chance to have your drink while discreetly checking out the girls first before deciding, you can tell the bartender you want to wait first before choosing. In some bars they will then ask you if you want to see the girls line up for you to choose from, and they will turn up the lights so you can actually see the girls. (91 and Bin Bin typically do this) If they don't immediately offer this, you could request to see them this way.

Once you are sitting with a girl, after 2-3 lady drinks normally the girl will ask if you want to do more with her later, namely to go visit your hotel together. Some may also like to do as much as they can to get you feeling relaxed right there in the bar, which is allowed in some of these bars (but not all). If you only want to talk / grope / hug / kiss / etc. A bit at the bar, that's also fine. You must try to sense what the girl is willing to do, or else let her lead the way and show you.

These bars are perfect if you prefer to go out alone and hope to meet a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without any distractions or risks (such as: she is not that kind of girl-all these girls are that kind; the place is too crowded; the place is so loud you can't have conversation; etc.) Also, these bars are all in comfortable walking distance of each other. If you don't like what a bar has to offer, you can try the next one that is only a few steps away. If you prefer to visit one of these bars with friends, they can put your group in a private room with a low table where everyone sits on cushions. These rooms can also be used even if you are solo. You can have fun with your girl right there in the bar, or else more fun at your hotel. There are different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. Some actually allow you to do anything, and I mean anything, right in the bar. But in most you can only go to a certain point, and only when you and your girl are hidden somewhere such as in a balcony level or back room.

About prices, the price for a beer is 30, 000 (maybe still 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for a 'lady drink. ' (one notable exception: Quan Nho charges 50, 000 for a beer but also 50, 000 for a lady drink). In any bar, your girl will keep asking for another drink whenever she finishes one, that's standard. Don't become upset. To take a girl out, you have to buy her 5 or 6 drinks first, but normally those just get added to your bill, even if she doesn't really drink them. It's really just a barfine. For example, if you had 2 beers and she had 2 lady drinks, and you decide to take her out, they would charge you for the drinks that the 2 of you really drank (60, 000 for your 2 beers plus 100, 000 for her 2 drinks: which equals 160, 000 total) PLUS an additional (and imaginary) 4 lady drinks (200, 000) , so your total bar bill would be 360, 000. In other words, the barfine is 300, 000. And now the 2 of you are free to enjoy your evening together. The number of total drinks you must buy also depends a little on your negotiation skills, and some bars will ask for more lady drinks. As for the girl's payment, they tend to ask for 1 million for 2 hrs or so these days, but can occassionally be bargained down to as low as 800, 000.

If the bar tries to charge you a higher price for each beer or drink, tell them you were just here last week and paid only 30, 000 for each beer and 50, 000 for each lady drink-usually the bartender will play it safe and retreat to the normal price. If the bartender ever puts things like nuts or chewing gum in front of you and your girl, just have the bartender take them away. It's only a tactic to pad the bill at the end-they charge far more than those things really cost. Finally, if you want to leave the bar and not take your girl, then you should at least give her a tip. Standard tip these days is about 100, 000. If the girl's attitude was not very good, then a bit less is ok. They tend to feel insulted if it's 50, 000 or lower. If her attitude was good, pay higher accordingly. To make a good impression on a girl I want to see again, I would leave her a tip of 150, 000, or even 200, 000 for one who's very special. If you leave no tip, there's a good chance all the girls there would discuss it and brand you a "cheap charlie" after that.

If you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality in the bars fluctuates. Also, if you get there late at night or after a big group of customers has arrived together, the choices left over may be few. 7pm seems to be a peak time when you can expect almost all the girls who work there to be present and available.

Have fun.